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  1. You don’t need to follow the ved or for that matter Gita,

    TEXT 23

    यः शास्त्रविधिमुत्सृज्य वर्तते कामकारतः ।
    न स सिद्धिमवाप्नोति न सुखं न परां गतिम् ॥२३॥
    yaḥ śāstra-vidhim utsṛjya
    vartate kāma-kārataḥ
    na sa siddhim avāpnoti
    na sukhaṁ na parāṁ gatim

    yaḥ—anyone who; śāstra-vidhim—the regulations of the scriptures; utsṛjya—giving up; vartate—remains; kāma-kārataḥ—acting whimsically in lust; na—never; saḥ—he; siddhim—perfection; avāpnoti—achieves; na—never; sukham—happiness; na—never; parām—the supreme; gatim—perfectional stage.

    He who discards scriptural injunctions and acts according to his own whims attains neither perfection, nor happiness, nor the supreme destination.

    As described before, the śāstra-vidhi, or the direction of the śāstra, is given to the different castes and orders of human society. Everyone is expected to follow these rules and regulations. If one does not follow them and acts whimsically according to his lust, greed and desire, then he never will be perfect in his life. In other words, a man may theoretically know all these things, but if he does not apply them in his own life, then he is to be known as the lowest of mankind. In the human form of life, a living entity is expected to be sane and to follow the regulations given for elevating his life to the highest platform, but if he does not follow them, then he degrades himself. But even if he follows the rules and regulations and moral principles and ultimately does not come to the stage of understanding the Supreme Lord, then all his knowledge becomes spoiled. And even if he accepts the existence of God, if he does not engage himself in the service of the Lord his attempts are spoiled. Therefore one should gradually raise himself to the platform of Kṛṣṇa consciousness and devotional service; it is then and there that he can attain the highest perfectional stage, not otherwise.

    The word kāma-kārataḥ is very significant. A person who knowingly violates the rules acts in lust. He knows that this is forbidden, but still he acts. This is called acting whimsically. He knows that this should be done, but still he does not do it; therefore he is called whimsical. Such persons are destined to be condemned by the Supreme Lord. Such persons cannot have the perfection which is meant for the human life. The human life is especially meant for purifying one’s existence, and one who does not follow the rules and regulations cannot purify himself, nor can he attain the real stage of happiness.

    you need follow what above 4 have done

    You don’t even know what is the difference between condition soul and liberated soul.

    ”Well, it looks like your copy/paste skills ran dry here.”

    yes i do to simply present the ”absolute truth” as it is cause i don’t want to speculate like you do in your comment including your opinions which is not accepted due to senses are all imperfect.

    my intention is not to defeat you and win. but to present the ”absolute truth” (BG 7.7)

    mattaḥ parataraḿ nānyat
    kiñcid asti dhanañjaya
    mayi sarvam idaḿ protaḿ
    sūtre maṇi-gaṇā iva

    O conqueror of wealth, there is no truth superior to ”Me”. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.

    Look I’m not against Krishna. Krishna, Ram, Vishnu, Rudra and ”Shiva”. They’re all same.

    kshiram yatha dadhi vikara-vishesha-yogat
    sanjayate na hi tatah prithag asti hetoho
    yah shambhutam api tatha samupaiti karyad
    govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami

    Just as milk is transformed into curd by the action of acids, but yet the effect curd is neither same
    as, nor different from, its cause, viz., milk, so I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whom the state
    of Sambhu is a transformation for the performance of the work of destruction.

    diparchir eva hi dashantaram abhyupetya
    dipayate vivrita-hetu-samana-dharma
    yas tadrig eva hi cha vishnu-taya vibhati
    govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami

    The light of one candle being communicated to other candles, although it burns separately in them,
    is the same in its quality. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda who exhibits Himself equally in the
    same mobile manner in His various manifestations.

    ”someone say they know everything about ”Hinduism”,

    srimad bhagavatam 1.3.13

    TEXT 13
    ataḥ pumbhir dvija-śreṣṭhā
    svanuṣṭhitasya dharmasya
    saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam

    ataḥ—so; pumbhiḥ—by the human being; dvija-śreṣṭhāḥ—O best among the twiceborn; varṇa-āśrama—the institution of four castes and four orders of life; vibhāgaśaḥ—by the division of; svanuṣṭhitasya—of one’s own prescribed duties; dharmasya—occupational; saṁsiddhiḥ—the highest perfection; hari—the Personality of Godhead; toṣaṇam—pleasing.

    O best among the twice-born, it is therefore concluded that the highest perfection one can achieve by discharging the duties prescribed for one’s own occupation according to caste divisions and orders of life is to please the Personality of Godhead.

    Human society all over the world is divided into four castes and four orders of life. The four castes are the intelligent caste, the martial caste, the productive caste and the laborer caste. These castes are classified in terms of one’s work and qualification and not by birth. Then again there are four orders of life, namely the student life, the householder’s life, the retired and the devotional life. In the best interest of human society there must be such divisions of life, otherwise no social institution can grow in a healthy state. And in each and every one of the abovementioned divisions of life, the aim must be to please the supreme authority of the Personality of Godhead. This institutional function of human society is known as the system of varṇāśrama-dharma, which is quite natural for the civilized life. The varṇāśrama institution is constructed to enable one to realize the Absolute Truth. It is not for artificial domination of one division over another. When the aim of life, i.e., realization of the Absolute Truth, is missed by too much attachment for indriya-prīti, or sense gratification, as already discussed hereinbefore, the institution of the varṇāśrama is utilized by selfish men to pose an artificial predominance over the weaker section. In the Kali-yuga, or in the age of quarrel, this artificial predominance is already current, but the saner section of the people know it well that the divisions of castes and orders of life are meant for smooth social intercourse and high-thinking self-realization and not for any other purpose.
    Herein the statement of Bhāgavatam is that the highest aim of life or the highest perfection of the institution of the varṇāśrama-dharma is to cooperate jointly for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord. This is also confirmed in the Bhagavad-gītā (4.13).

    ”That supreme is both infinity and trinity. As per bhagwat geeta everything is triguni.”

    You have to give reference where it is mention everything is triguni.

    ”I’m particularly interested in 3 vishnu you described. PLEASE GIVE REFERENCE.”

    Krishna first incarnates as the three purusha avataras namely:
    Karanodakashayi Vishnu – “The Lord who is lying on the causal ocean”.
    Garbhodakashayi Vishnu – “The Lord who is lying on the universal ocean”.
    Kshirodakashayi Vishnu – “The Lord who is lying on the ocean of milk”.


    do you believe Krishna as supreme personality of godhead ?

    1. Krishna is trinity (brahma-vishnu-mahesh). Trinity is supreme personality of godhead.

      trinity is puran-purushottama ! ! (chapter 10, bhagwat gita krishna tells who is he).

      trinity/krishna is ocean, everything else is drop. As far as chaitnaya mahaprabhu, he is divine soul. One of the drop in the ocean.

      all the infinite souls (akshar souls , non-destructible souls) have krishna/trinity within them. All souls are akshar-purushottama . Animal-insect-human all are akshar-purushottama, (chapter 15, bhagwat gita)


      dog/cat/cow/animals all the soul are akshar-purushottama, they thinks there human-owner is god (purna purushottama). Because owner gives food/shelter/training etc to them. Animals doesn’t have skills to know, all the bad acts of there human-owner in the outside world.

      just like animals souls, human soul are akshar-purushottama too. Human thinks (like animal) that parents, teacher, care-giver, friends, spiritual guru, swami-baba, successful-person, etc are supreme-god because they have enlightened there life some way or other. This is similar to animal thinking above. Human doesn’t knows all the bad acts of there parents/teacher/guru’s/baba/swami before considering them supreme-god.

      parent/guru/swami/baba are akshar-purushottama (like animals). None of them have ever served like demi-god. (Example SUN demi-god). SUN from trillion years have provided, Life, Food, Energy, Beauty, Light, Living and self-less service to all the species in the solar-system (Not just to human or not just to earth living species). SUN has enlightened every SOUL (akshar-purushottama) for billion of years.

      As per Bhagwat Gita, chapter-4, Lord Krishna says the in the beginning of creation, first knowledge of Bhagwat Gita was given to SUN, than to Manu, than to ishkayu etc. That’s reason SUN is knowns as Akshar-BRAHMA. SUN is BRAHMA for all Akshar (Souls).

      As per Bhagwat Gita, Chapter-4, Lord Krishna tell arjun, understanding PURNA/Puran Purushtomma is not easy. Only through surrendering to Krishna can give complete knowledge. Krishna is Purushomma and TRINITY is Krishna!!

      Chaitanaya Mahaprabhu was divine soul. Many divine soul came under the SUN, but our respect is more for SUN than anyone else.

      BAPS-Swaminarayan and Pramukh Swami are DEVIL-SOUL. These BAPS goons have modified and brain washed every small kids right from childhood and manipulated all the text of there swami shikshapatri etc. Swaminarayan was AksharSoul just like ANIMAL soul (not even divine soul)


      Lets focus on website agenda, how to save brained washed people, how to save child going to swaminarayan orgs and schools where they develop ANIMAL thinking

    2. When you can’t find 3 vishnu references, you started having ego problem!!

      do you believe Krishna as supreme personality of godhead? This can say a lot about you.

      Matter of fact, if you can’t find reference, don’t bother commenting back.

      1. do you believe Krishna as supreme personality of godhead?

        Bg. 7.15
        न मां दुष्कृतिनो मूढाः प्रपद्यन्ते नराधमाः ।
        माययापहृतज्ञाना आसुरं भावमाश्रिताः ॥ ७.१५ ॥
        na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ
        prapadyante narādhamāḥ
        āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ

        na — not; mām — unto Me; duṣkṛtinaḥ — miscreants; mūḍhāḥ — foolish; prapadyante — surrender; nara-adhamāḥ — lowest among mankind; māyayā — by the illusory energy; apahṛta — stolen; jñānāḥ — whose knowledge; āsuram — demonic; bhāvam — nature; āśritāḥ — accepting.

        Those miscreants who are grossly foolish, who are lowest among mankind, whose knowledge is stolen by illusion, and who partake of the atheistic nature of demons do not surrender unto Me.

        It is said in Bhagavad-gītā that simply by surrendering oneself unto the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality Kṛṣṇa one can surmount the stringent laws of material nature. At this point a question arises: How is it that educated philosophers, scientists, businessmen, administrators and all the leaders of ordinary men do not surrender to the lotus feet of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the all-powerful Personality of Godhead? Mukti, or liberation from the laws of material nature, is sought by the leaders of mankind in different ways and with great plans and perseverance for a great many years and births. But if that liberation is possible by simply surrendering unto the lotus feet of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then why don’t these intelligent and hard-working leaders adopt this simple method?

        The Gītā answers this question very frankly. Those really learned leaders of society like Brahmā, Śiva, Kapila, the Kumāras, Manu, Vyāsa, Devala, Asita, Janaka, Prahlāda, Bali, and later on Madhvācārya, Rāmānujācārya, Śrī Caitanya and many others – who are faithful philosophers, politicians, educators, scientists, etc. – surrender to the lotus feet of the Supreme Person, the all-powerful authority. Those who are not actually philosophers, scientists, educators, administrators, etc., but who pose themselves as such for material gain, do not accept the plan or path of the Supreme Lord. They have no idea of God; they simply manufacture their own worldly plans and consequently complicate the problems of material existence in their vain attempts to solve them. Because material energy (nature) is so powerful, it can resist the unauthorized plans of the atheists and baffle the knowledge of “planning commissions.”

        The atheistic planmakers are described herein by the word duṣkṛtinaḥ, or “miscreants.” Kṛtī means one who has performed meritorious work. The atheist planmaker is sometimes very intelligent and meritorious also, because any gigantic plan, good or bad, must take intelligence to execute. But because the atheist’s brain is improperly utilized in opposing the plan of the Supreme Lord, the atheistic planmaker is called duṣkṛtī, which indicates that his intelligence and efforts are misdirected.

        In the Gītā it is clearly mentioned that material energy works fully under the direction of the Supreme Lord. It has no independent authority. It works as the shadow moves, in accordance with the movements of the object. But still material energy is very powerful, and the atheist, due to his godless temperament, cannot know how it works; nor can he know the plan of the Supreme Lord. Under illusion and the modes of passion and ignorance, all his plans are baffled, as in the case of Hiraṇyakaśipu and Rāvaṇa, whose plans were smashed to dust although they were both materially learned as scientists, philosophers, administrators and educators. These duṣkṛtinas, or miscreants, are of four different patterns, as outlined below.

        (1) The mūḍhas are those who are grossly foolish, like hardworking beasts of burden. They want to enjoy the fruits of their labor by themselves, and so do not want to part with them for the Supreme. The typical example of the beast of burden is the ass. This humble beast is made to work very hard by his master. The ass does not really know for whom he works so hard day and night. He remains satisfied by filling his stomach with a bundle of grass, sleeping for a while under fear of being beaten by his master, and satisfying his sex appetite at the risk of being repeatedly kicked by the opposite party. The ass sings poetry and philosophy sometimes, but this braying sound only disturbs others. This is the position of the foolish fruitive worker who does not know for whom he should work. He does not know that karma (action) is meant for yajña (sacrifice).

        Most often, those who work very hard day and night to clear the burden of self-created duties say that they have no time to hear of the immortality of the living being. To such mūḍhas, material gains, which are destructible, are life’s all in all – despite the fact that the mūḍhas enjoy only a very small fraction of the fruit of labor. Sometimes they spend sleepless days and nights for fruitive gain, and although they may have ulcers or indigestion, they are satisfied with practically no food; they are simply absorbed in working hard day and night for the benefit of illusory masters. Ignorant of their real master, the foolish workers waste their valuable time serving mammon. Unfortunately, they never surrender to the supreme master of all masters, nor do they take time to hear of Him from the proper sources. The swine who eat the night soil do not care to accept sweetmeats made of sugar and ghee. Similarly, the foolish worker will untiringly continue to hear of the sense-enjoyable tidings of the flickering mundane world, but will have very little time to hear about the eternal living force that moves the material world.

        (2) Another class of duṣkṛtī, or miscreant, is called the narādhama, or the lowest of mankind. Nara means human being, and adhama means the lowest. Out of the 8,400,000 different species of living beings, there are 400,000 human species. Out of these there are numerous lower forms of human life that are mostly uncivilized. The civilized human beings are those who have regulative principles of social, political and religious life. Those who are socially and politically developed but who have no religious principles must be considered narādhamas. Nor is religion without God religion, because the purpose of following religious principles is to know the Supreme Truth and man’s relation with Him. In the Gītā the Personality of Godhead clearly states that there is no authority above Him and that He is the Supreme Truth. The civilized form of human life is meant for man’s reviving the lost consciousness of his eternal relation with the Supreme Truth, the Personality of Godhead Śrī Kṛṣṇa, who is all-powerful. Whoever loses this chance is classified as a narādhama. We get information from revealed scriptures that when the baby is in the mother’s womb (an extremely uncomfortable situation) he prays to God for deliverance and promises to worship Him alone as soon as he gets out. To pray to God when he is in difficulty is a natural instinct in every living being because he is eternally related with God. But after his deliverance, the child forgets the difficulties of birth and forgets his deliverer also, being influenced by māyā, the illusory energy.

        It is the duty of the guardians of children to revive the divine consciousness dormant in them. The ten processes of reformatory ceremonies, as enjoined in the Manu-smṛti, which is the guide to religious principles, are meant for reviving God consciousness in the system of varṇāśrama. However, no process is strictly followed now in any part of the world, and therefore 99.9 percent of the population is narādhama.

        When the whole population becomes narādhama, naturally all their so-called education is made null and void by the all-powerful energy of physical nature. According to the standard of the Gītā, a learned man is he who sees on equal terms the learned brāhmaṇa, the dog, the cow, the elephant and the dog-eater. That is the vision of a true devotee. Śrī Nityānanda Prabhu, who is the incarnation of Godhead as divine master, delivered the typical narādhamas, the brothers Jagāi and Mādhāi, and showed how the mercy of a real devotee is bestowed upon the lowest of mankind. So the narādhama who is condemned by the Personality of Godhead can again revive his spiritual consciousness only by the mercy of a devotee.

        Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu, in propagating the bhāgavata-dharma, or activities of the devotees, has recommended that people submissively hear the message of the Personality of Godhead. The essence of this message is Bhagavad-gītā. The lowest amongst human beings can be delivered by this submissive hearing process only, but unfortunately they even refuse to give an aural reception to these messages, and what to speak of surrendering to the will of the Supreme Lord? Narādhamas, or the lowest of mankind, willfully neglect the prime duty of the human being.

        (3) The next class of duṣkṛtī is called māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ, or those persons whose erudite knowledge has been nullified by the influence of illusory material energy. They are mostly very learned fellows – great philosophers, poets, literati, scientists, etc. – but the illusory energy misguides them, and therefore they disobey the Supreme Lord.

        There are a great number of māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ at the present moment, even amongst the scholars of the Bhagavad-gītā. In the Gītā, in plain and simple language, it is stated that Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. There is none equal to or greater than Him. He is mentioned as the father of Brahmā, the original father of all human beings. In fact, Śrī Kṛṣṇa is said to be not only the father of Brahmā but also the father of all species of life. He is the root of the impersonal Brahman and Paramātmā; the Supersoul in every entity is His plenary portion. He is the fountainhead of everything, and everyone is advised to surrender unto His lotus feet. Despite all these clear statements, the māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ deride the personality of the Supreme Lord and consider Him merely another human being. They do not know that the blessed form of human life is designed after the eternal and transcendental feature of the Supreme Lord.

        All the unauthorized interpretations of the Gītā by the class of māyayāpahṛta-jñānāḥ, outside the purview of the paramparā system, are so many stumbling blocks on the path of spiritual understanding. The deluded interpreters do not surrender unto the lotus feet of Śrī Kṛṣṇa, nor do they teach others to follow this principle.

        (4) The last class of duṣkṛtī is called āsuraṁ bhāvam āśritāḥ, or those of demonic principles. This class is openly atheistic. Some of them argue that the Supreme Lord can never descend upon this material world, but they are unable to give any tangible reasons as to why not. There are others who make Him subordinate to the impersonal feature, although the opposite is declared in the Gītā. Envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the atheist will present a number of illicit incarnations manufactured in the factory of his brain. Such persons, whose very principle of life is to decry the Personality of Godhead, cannot surrender unto the lotus feet of Śrī Kṛṣṇa.

        Śrī Yāmunācārya Ālabandaru of South India said, “O my Lord! You are unknowable to persons involved with atheistic principles, despite Your uncommon qualities, features and activities, despite Your personality’s being confirmed by all the revealed scriptures in the quality of goodness, and despite Your being acknowledged by the famous authorities renowned for their depth of knowledge in the transcendental science and situated in the godly qualities.”

        Therefore, (1) grossly foolish persons, (2) the lowest of mankind, (3) the deluded speculators and (4) the professed atheists, as above mentioned, never surrender unto the lotus feet of the Personality of Godhead in spite of all scriptural and authoritative advice.

  2. Again 95% your right with all above details.

    theory text book
    your referring to iskon book, so here’s another reference to iskon website
    http://www. (chapter-10 : Krishna is everything. )

    if you refer how all great jagat guru’s interpreted bhagwat gita, you will get all the answers of your questions. Gurus like shankara, ramaanuj, madhava, chaintanya,vallabha etc.

    practical examples

    (1) shankaraacharya had shiv-shakti, so he re-established 4-dhams

    dwarka (krishna)
    rameshwaram (shiv and ram together)
    jagan-nath puri (krishna).

    if krishna would have been just ONLY one entity than jagat guru shakara would have created 4-dhams only of krishna.

    (2) ramaanujachrya
    tirupati wherein govinda-krishna is vishnu-venkateshwara and vice versa.

    (3) chaitanaya
    maha mantra : hare krishna, hare rama (Not just Krishna)

    (4) tulsidasa
    ram and his ishwar shiv

    last 1000-years work has clearly identified sanatan dharm as multi-parts.

    Multi-parts system, dummies example,

    car :

    -brahma is base system.
    -vishnu is engine (core component works only with battery).
    -shiv is infinite battery (male-female node, energy, spark, destruction etc), works primarily for engine and secondary for all other components.

    -hanuman is a. C fan cooling system (works through battery power of shiv) .
    -maya is bonnet-cover.
    (map other entities like head light is sun-moon)

    human-body :

    -brahma : brain
    -vishnu : heart
    -shiv : thrid-eye energy and
    -shiv-shakti : lingam (father-mother of all species, male-female ardhya-nareshwar).

    krishna’s virat roop means entire car or entire human-body. you can call human body as one virat roop or a human body with three major components (brain-heart-lingam).

    brahma is base, vishnu is core, Shiv is infinite-energy and virat roop is krishna.

    References : Last 1000-Years of practical work of of Jagat-Gurus.

    PS: Swaminarayan groups will copy all YOUR above text from Iskon and mine examples, they will do “REPLACE ALL” keyword of Lord-Krishna with there Ghanta-Swami . And there are millions stupid customer who will buy there theory and eventually idiots will get Akshar-dham (Akshar means soul, Dham of Souls is NARAK).

  3. That supreme is both infinity and trinity. As per bhagwat geeta IT IS THE BHAGAVAD GITA everything is triguni. PLEASE GIVE REFRENCE.

    There’s some addition, as per the vedas, bhagwat, purans etc,( please elaborate )

    There’s absolutely zero difference among trinity. Also there’s zero difference among avatars.


    Six Categories Of Avatars

    1) Purusha avataras
    2) Lila avataras
    3) Guna avataras
    4) Manvantara avataras
    5) Yuga avataras
    6) Shaktyavesha avataras
    1) Purusha avataras:

    Krishna first incarnates as the three purusha avataras namely:
    Karanodakashayi Vishnu – “The Lord who is lying on the causal ocean”.
    Garbhodakashayi Vishnu – “The Lord who is lying on the universal ocean”.
    Kshirodakashayi Vishnu – “The Lord who is lying on the ocean of milk”.

    2) Lila avataras:

    A list of lila avataras (pastime incarnations) mentioned in the Srimad Bhagavatam:

    Dhruvapriya or Prsniggarbha
    Bhargava Parasurama
    Prlambhari Balarama

    3) Guna avataras:

    Vishnu assumes this guna avatar post. Sattvik Guna = Mode of goodness = Maintanence
    Brahma Rajik Guna = Mode of passion = Creation
    Siva Tamas Guna = Mode of ignorence = Destruction

    4) Manvantara avataras:

    Brahma’s day – 1,000 catur yugas – is divided into fourteen periods of the rule of Manus (fathers of mankind) known as manvantaras. The incarnations during these manvantaras are listed as follows:


    5) Yuga avatrars:

    Four yugas ( Ages ) which come in cycles:
    Satya yuga, lasting 1,728,000 years
    Treta yuga, lasting 1,296,000 years
    Dwapara yuga, lasting 864,000 years
    Kali yuga, lasting 432,000 years

    In each of these yugas the Lord incarnates with a different body color according to the yuga.

    asan varnas trayo hy asya
    grhnato ‘nuyugam tanuh
    suklo raktas tatha pita
    idanim krishnatam gatah

    “Krishna appears as an incarnation in every millennium. In the past, He assumed three different colors – white, red and yellow – and now he has appeared in a blackish color.”
    – Srimad Bhagavatam 10.8.13

    In the Satya yuga a white avatara appeared to Kardama muni to establish meditation as the process for self-realization.

    In the Treta yuga a red avatara appeared to Brahma to establish fire sacrifice as the process for self-realization.

    In the Dvapara yuga a dark avatara (Krishna) appeared as the son of Devaki to establish temple worship as the process for self-realization.

    In the Kali yuga a Yellow avatara appeared (Chaitanya Mahaprabhu) as the son of Sachi Mata to establish the chanting of the holy names (nama-sankirtana) as the process for self-realization.

    6. Shaktyavesha avataras: – Empowered Incarnations

    There is no limit to the number of shaktyavesha incarnations. But some are mentioned in the vedic literatures as examples. They are of two kinds, direct and indirect.

    When the Lord Himself expands displaying a particular power of His opulences He is known as Sakshat.

    When He empowers a living entity with some particular sakti – power, for some specific activity, to represent Him , that living entity is called indirect or avesha incarnation.

    Avesha incarnations:

    Four Kumaras empowered with knowledge.
    Narada empowered with devotional service.
    Brahma empowered with creative power.
    King Pritu empowered with power to maintain living beings.
    Parasurama empowered with power to kill evil elements.
    VedaVyasa to compile the vedas.

    10 Scriptures that Reveal Lord Chaitanya’s Identity as Lord Krishna

    Check out the verses from Mahabharata and some of the Puranas which disclose the fact that Lord Chaitanya is the Supreme Lord.

    Chaitanya Maha Prabhu

    Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu, the pioneer of the modern Hare Krishna movement, appeared in Mayapur, West Bengal over 500 years ago. He is Krishna Himself, who appeared to inaugurate the yuga-dharma – the Harinama Sankirtana (congregational chanting of the holy names of the Lord). He never disclosed Himself as the incarnation of the Lord and exemplified the life of a perfect devotee, so that others can follow in His footsteps. However, this fact is corroborated in many authorized scriptures and also confirmed by great spiritual masters of our sampradaya. The descriptions of Lord Chaitanya in terms of His appearance, bodily features, characteristics and pastimes as found in the several works of His celebrated associates and great devotees completely conform to those predicted in the Vedic literatures. In this article we present certain important verses from some of the well-known Vedic literatures to substantiate the identity of Lord Chaitanya as the Supreme Lord Krishna.

    (1) Srimad-Bhagavatam (11.5.32)

    krishna-varnam tvishakrishnam sangopangastra-parshadam
    yajnaih sankirtana-prayair yajanti hi sumedhasah

    In the age of Kali, intelligent persons perform congregational chanting to worship the incarnation of Godhead who constantly sings the holy name of Krishna. Although His complexion is not blackish, He is Krishna Himself. He is accompanied by His associates, servants, weapons and confidential companions.

    krsna-varnam: This word denotes that Lord Chaitanya belongs to the category of Krishna or in other words He is Krishna Himself. krsna-varnam also means one who constantly chants the name of Lord Krishna.

    tvisa akrsnam: His bodily complexion is not black. He appeared in golden-like yellow complexion.

    sangopangastra-parsadam: Lord Chaitanya is always accompanied by His confidential associates like Lord Nityananda, Advaita Acharya, Sri Gadadhara Pandita, Srivasa Acharya, Haridasa Thakura, etc. In other incarnations, the Lord sometimes made use of His weapons to defeat or kill the demons, but in this age the Lord subdues the demonic mentality with His all-attractive figure of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu who freely distributes Krishna-prema, pure love of Krishna. That is His weapon.

    (2) Vishnu-sahasra-nama stotra from Mahabharata
    Each of the 1000 names contained in the Vishnu-sahasra-nama stotra that is found in the Mahabharata, glorifies one or more aspects of the Supreme Lord’s transcendental forms, qualities, pastimes etc.

    The following names indicate the bodily features of Lord Chaitanya.

    suvarna-varno hemango varangas candanangadi

    suvarna-varna: He has a golden complexion.
    hemanga: He has the appearance of molten gold.
    varanga: He is exquisitely beautiful.
    candanangadi: The Lord’s body is smeared with sandalwood pulp.

    Lord Chaitanya’s qualities and activities are described in the following names.

    sannyasa-krc chamah santo nistha-santi-parayanah

    sannyasa-krt: He accepts the renounced order of life. (Lord Chaitanya accepted sannyasa at the age of 24.)

    sama: He is fully sense-controlled or equipoised.

    santa: He is completely peaceful.

    nistha: He is rigidly fixed in the chanting of the holy name of Lord Krishna.

    santi-parayana: He is the highest abode of devotion and peace. He silences the impersonalist philosophers. (Lord Chaitanya defeated many eminent mayavadis in philosophical debates and converted them to Vaishnavism.)

    (3) Garuda Purana

    The Supreme Lord says,

    aham purno bhavisyami yuga-sandhyau visesatah
    mayapure navadvipe bhavisyami saci-sutah

    In the first part of Kali-yuga, I will appear in my complete spiritual form in Mayapura, Navadvipa and become the son of Shachi.

    Sri Chaitanya was born in Mayapura (a subsection of the holy town of Navadvipa, West Bengal) as the son of Srimati Shachi devi in the year 1486, about 4,500 years after the beginning of the Kali-yuga.


    It is also stated in this purana,

    kaleh prathama-sandhyayam laksmi-kanto bhavisyati
    daru-brahma-samipa-sthah sannyasi gaura-vigrahah

    In the first part of Kali-yuga, the Supreme Lord in the golden complexion will become the husband of Lakshmi. Then He will become a sannyasi and reside near Lord Jagannatha.

    Sri Chaitanya married His eternal consort Srimati Lakshmipriya and later took sannyasa at the age of 24. After the acceptance of sannyasa, He left Navadvipa and resided in Puri, the holy city of Lord Jagannatha in Orissa. Lord Jagannatha in Puri is also referred to as daru-brahma in the Puranas as the Deities here are made from Neem wood. The word daru means wood in Sanskrit.


    yo reme saha-ballavi ramayate vrndavane ‘har-nisam
    yah kamsam ni jaghana kaurava-rane yah pandavanam sakha
    so ‘yam vainava-danda-mandita-bhujah sannyasa-vesah svayam
    nihsandeham upagatah ksiti-tale caitanya-rupah prabhuh

    The Supreme Lord who took delight in His pastimes with the gopis, who filled the residents of Vrindavana with joy day and night, who slew Kamsa, and who made friends with the Pandavas in the battle between the Kauravas, will without any doubt, come again to the earth. He will be a sannyasi with the name Chaitanya whose arm will be decorated with a bamboo stick.

    It is clear from this verse that Lord Krishna Himself appeared as Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. According to the custom, a sannyasi is supposed to carry a bamboo stick (danda). Lord Chaitanya carried a single bamboo stick as He was an eka-danda sannyasi.

    (4) Nrsimha Purana
    satye daitya-kuladhi-nasa-samaye
    tretayam dasa-kandharam
    paribhavan rameti namakrtih

    gopalan paripalayan vraja-pure
    bharam haran dvapare
    gaurangah priya-kirtanah
    kali-yuge caitanya-nama-prabhuh

    The Supreme Lord who assumed the form of a half-man, half-lion in the Satya-yuga to cure a dreadful disease that had devastated the Daityas, and who appearing as Rama conquered the ten-headed Ravana in the Treta-yuga, and who removed the burden of the earth in the Dvapara-yuga and protected the cowherd men of Vraja-pura, will be the Lord by name Chaitanya in the Kali-yuga. He will have a golden form and He will take pleasure in chanting the Lord’s holy names.

    (5) Padma Purana
    The Supreme Lord states:

    kaleh prathama-sandhyayam gaurangotham mahi-tale
    bhagirathi-tate ramie bhavisyami saci-sutah

    I shall take birth as the son of Shachi assuming a golden form in a beautiful place on the bank of the Bhagirathi (Ganges) on the earth in the first part of Kali-yuga.

    Mayapura, the birth place of Sri Chaitanya is on the banks of the Ganges. There is a similar verse in the Brahma Purana predicting the appearance of Lord Chaitanya.

    (6) Narada Purana
    The Supreme Personality of Godhead says,

    aham eva kalau vipra nityam pracchanna-vigrahah
    bhagavad-bhakta-rupena lokan raksami sarvada

    O brahmana, I will deliver all the worlds, concealing myself in the form of a devotee of the Lord in Kali-yuga.

    divija bhuvi jayadhvam jayadhvam bhakta-rupinah
    kalau sankirtanarambhe bhavisyami saci-sutah

    O demigods, please advent on the earth as devotees in Kali-yuga. To inaugurate sankirtana, I will incarnate as the son of Shachi.

    (7) Bhavishya Purana

    The Supreme Lord states:

    anandasru-kala-roma-harsa-purnam tapo-dhana
    sarve mama eva draksyanti kalau sannyasa-rupinam

    O austere sage, everyone will see My transcendental form as a sannyasi in the age of Kali. I will be displaying symptoms like shedding tears of bliss and hairs standing on end out of ecstasy.

    Lord Chaitanya was always merged in the ocean of transcendental ecstasy while chanting the names of Krishna and dancing during sankirtana. He felt intense separation from the Lord and due to those devotional feelings displayed various ecstatic symptoms of pure love for Krishna, such as incessant tears, voice choking up, hairs on the body standing on end etc.

    (8) Vayu Purana
    The Supreme Lord says,

    paurnamasyam phalgunasya phalguni-rksa-yogatah
    bhavisye gaura-rupena saci-garbhe purandarat

    On the full moon day of the month of Phalguna, conjoined with the star Phalguni, I will appear in a golden form begotten by Purandara in the womb of Shachi.

    Lord Chaitanya was born on the full moon day in the month of Phalguna. His father was known by the names Jagannatha Mishra and Purandara Mishra.

    svarnadi-tiram asthaya navadvipe janasraye
    tatra dvija-kulam prapto bhavisyami janalaye

    I will appear in a brahmana family in Navadvipa, by the shore of the Ganges.


    bhakti-yoga-pradanaya lokasyanugrahaya ca
    sannyasa-rupam asthaya krsna-caitanya-nama-dhrk

    In order to engage the people in devotional service and bestow mercy upon them, I will take sannyasa, accepting the name Krishna Chaitanya.

    (9) Matsya Purana
    The following statement is made by the Lord:

    mundo gaurah su-dirghangas tri-srotas-tira-sambhavah
    dayaluh kirtana-grahi bhavisyami kalau yuge

    In the age of Kali, I will be golden colour. I will be tall and will have a shaven head. The place where I take birth will be a meeting point of three rivers. I will be very merciful and I will keenly engage in chanting the holy names.

    Lord Chaitanya, being an eka-danda sannyasi had a completely shaven head as was the custom for such sannyasis. Three rivers – the Ganges, the Yamuna and the Saraswati (which is currently in her hidden form) – flow at Navadvipa.

    (10) Skanda Purana

    The Supreme Lord states

    antah krsnah bahir gaurah sangopangastra-parsadah
    saci-garbhe samapnuyam maya-manusa-karma-krt

    Inwardly Krishna but outwardly of golden form, I will be accompanied by My associates, servants, weapons, and confidential companions. Taking My birth in the womb of Shachi, I will accept the role of a human being.



    Chapter 15: The Yoga of the Supreme Person

    TEXT 15
    sarvasya caham hrdi sannivisto
    mattah smrtir jnanam apohanam ca
    vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyo
    vedanta-krd veda-vid eva caham

    sarvasya—of all living beings; ca—and; aham—I; hrdi—in the heart; sannivistah—being situated; mattah—from Me; smrtih—remembrance; jnanam—knowledge; apohanam ca—and forgetfulness; vedaih—by the Vedas; ca—also; sarvaih—all; aham—I am; eva—certainly; vedyah—knowable; vedanta-krt—the compiler of the Vedanta; veda-vit—the knower of the Vedas; eva—certainly; ca—and; aham—I.

    I am seated in everyone’s heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas am I to be known; indeed I am the compiler of Vedanta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.

    The Supreme Lord is situated as Paramatma in everyone’s heart, and it is from Him that all activities are initiated. The living entity forgets everything of his past life, but he has to act according to the direction of the Supreme Lord, who is witness to all his work. Therefore he begins his work according to his past deeds. Required knowledge is supplied to him, and remembrance is given to him, and he forgets, also, about his past life. Thus, the Lord is not only all-pervading; He is also localized in every individual heart. He awards the different fruitive results. He is not only worshipable as the impersonal Brahman, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, and the localized Paramatma, but as the form of the incarnation of the Vedas as well. The Vedas give the right direction to the people so that they can properly mold their lives and come back to Godhead, back to home. The Vedas offer knowledge of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna, and Krsna in His incarnation as Vyasadeva is the compiler of the Vedanta-sutra. The commentation on the Vedanta-sutra by Vyasadeva in the Srimad-Bhagavatam gives the real understanding of Vedanta-sutra. The Supreme Lord is so full that for the deliverance of the conditioned soul He is the supplier and digester of foodstuff, the witness of his activity, the giver of knowledge in the form of Vedas and as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna, the teacher of the Bhagavad-gita. He is worshipable by the conditioned soul. Thus God is all-good; God is all-merciful.
    Antahpravistah sasta jananam. The living entity forgets as soon as he quits his present body, but he begins his work again, initiated by the Supreme Lord. Although he forgets, the Lord gives him the intelligence to renew his work where he ended his last life. So not only does a living entity enjoy or suffer in this world according to the dictation from the Supreme Lord situated locally in the heart, but he receives the opportunity to understand Vedas from Him. If one is serious to understand the Vedic knowledge, then Krsna gives the required intelligence. Why does He present the Vedic knowledge for understanding? Because a living entity individually needs to understand Krsna. Vedic literature confirms this: yo ‘sau sarvair vedair giyate. In all Vedic literature, beginning from the four Vedas, Vedanta-sutra and the Upanisads and Puranas, the glories of the Supreme Lord are celebrated. By performing Vedic rituals, discussing the Vedic philosophy and worshiping the Lord in devotional service, He is attained. Therefore the purpose of the Vedas is to understand Krsna. The Vedas give us direction to understand Krsna and the process of understanding. The ultimate goal is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Vedanta-sutra confirms this in the following words: tat tu samanvayat. One can attain perfection by understanding Vedic literature, and one can understand his relationship with the Supreme Personality of Godhead by performing the different processes. Thus one can approach Him and at the end attain the supreme goal, who is no other than the Supreme Personality of Godhead. In this verse, however, the purpose of the Vedas, the understanding of the Vedas and the goal of Vedas are clearly defined.


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    1. Well, I don’t know much about Chitanya mahaprabhu, thus I can’t comment what I don’t know.

      But I find it funny how you’re saying, “PLEASE GIVE REFERENCE”, yet you missed references on most of the slok.

      I’m particularly interested in 3 vishnu you described. PLEASE GIVE REFERENCE.

    2. Again 95% your right with all above details.

      My brief answer:

      If you refer how all great Jagat Guru’s interpreted Bhagwat Gita, you will get all the answers. Gurus like Shankara, Ramaanuj, Madhava, Chaintanya,Vallabha etc.

      Theory Text Book
      Your referring to ISKON book, so here’s another reference to ISKON website (Chapter-10 : He is everything.)

      Practical Examples

      (1) Shankaraacharya had SHIV bhakti-shakti, so he re-established 4-Dhams

      Vishnu-Nar-Narayan (Badrinath)
      Dwarka (Krishna)
      Rameshwaram (SHIV and RAM together)
      Jagan-nath (Krishna).

      If KRISHNA would have been just ONE entity than jagat guru Shakara would have created 4-dhams only of Krishna. Krishna has infinite expansion.

      (2) Ramaanujachrya
      Tirupati wherein GOVINDA Krishna is Vishnu and Vice Versa.

      (3) Chaitanaya
      Maha Mantra : HARE KRISHNA, HARE RAMA!1

      (4) Tulsidasa
      RAM and his Ishwar SHIV

      Last 1000-years work has clearly identified Sanatan Dharm as multi-parts.

      Dummies Example

      CAR :

      Brahma is base system.
      Vishnu is ENGINE (Core component works only with Battery).
      SHIV is Infinite battery (Male-Female node, Energy, Spark, Destruction etc), works primarily for engine and secondary for all other components.
      Hanuman is A.C Fan Cooling system (works through battery power of Shiv) . Same is SUN.
      MAYA is Bonnet-Cover.
      (Map other entities like Head light is SUN-Moon)

      HUMAN-BODY :

      Brahma : Brain
      Vishnu : Heart
      SHIV : Thrid-Eye energy and
      Shiv-Shakti : Lingam (Father-Mother of all species, Male-Female ardhya-nareshwar).

      KRISHNA’s VIRAT ROOP means entire CAR or entire Human-Body.

      You can call Human Bodyas one VIRAT Roop from Krishna or a human Body with three major components (Brain-Heart-Lingam).

      Brahma is base, VISHNU is core. Shiv is Infinite-energy, VIRAT roop is Krishna.

      1. Brother this site doesn’t belong to ISKCON many people they speculate on their website they think nobody has thurrel knowledge but if you read and analyze The Bhagvad Gita by devotion [18.55]BG your understanding will be clear

        Bhagavad-gītā (BG 7.25), nāhaṁ prakāśaḥ sarvasya: He is not revealed to everyone. No one can understand God simply by erudite scholarship or mental speculation. Only one who is actually engaged in Kṛṣṇa consciousness and devotional service can understand what Kṛṣṇa is. University degrees are not helpful.

        Hare krsna

      2. “He is not revealed to everyone.”

        Well, it looks like your copy/paste skills ran dry here. Narsinh Mehta, Mira Bai, Sur das, Tulsidas; He revealed to them, cause they had utmost devotion for one god. You don’t need to follow the ved or for that matter Gita, you need follow what above 4 have done, and he will reveal to you.

        And what happened to 3 Vishnu references? Now, I’m started think that you were bullshitting all along!!

      3. Refer my CAR example and Human-Body example on previous comment,

        Three Vishnu theory is VALID and correct. Krishna expands himself to unlimited Vishnu and Vice Verse. That’s known as TRI-GUNI maya. As I mentioned as per Bhagwat Gita its Triguni maya.

        Brahma, Vishnu, Mahesh and there ONE form together is Virat roop of KRISHNA.

        Now whehther you call CAR as one entity or instead open a bonnet (maya) and appreciate Base-System, Engine, Battery (TRINITY).

        When we say Krishna expands to Maha-Vishnu, and creates three Vishnu or multiple vishnu means, the CAR has come with newer engine. Every generation new engine model is launched and that gets recycled.

        Same for universe Galaxies, multiple Brahma-Vishnu-Shiv, gets produced and recycled.

        CAR Example again : Base-System is Brahma, Engine is VISHNU, Battery is SHIV. and KRISHNA is VIRAT Roop of complete CAR.

        Hare Krishna !!

      4. Thanks Anand.

        I don’t have any doubt about 3 Vishnu, but I want to read it myself, cause it contradict with what I read in Shiv Puran. 🙂

  4. Swaminarayan followers believes that he was incarnation of Lord Krishna. Lord Krishna, himself, was an incarnation of Lord Vishnu. #sorry to say dear you have lack of knowledge.

    SB 1.3.28
    ete cāṁśa-kalāḥ puṁsaḥ
     kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam
    indrāri-vyākulaṁ lokaṁ
     mṛḍayanti yuge yuge
    ete — all these; ca — and; aṁśa — plenary portions; kalāḥ — portions of the plenary portions; puṁsaḥ — of the Supreme; kṛṣṇaḥ — Lord Kṛṣṇa; tu — but; bhagavān — the Personality of Godhead; svayam — in person; indra-ari — the enemies of Indra; vyākulam — disturbed; lokam — all the planets; mṛḍayanti — gives protection; yuge yuge — in different ages.
    All of the above-mentioned incarnations are either plenary portions or portions of the plenary portions of the Lord, but Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the original Personality of Godhead. All of them appear on planets whenever there is a disturbance created by the atheists. The Lord incarnates to protect the theists.
    In this particular stanza Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, the Personality of Godhead, is distinguished from other incarnations. He is counted amongst the avatāras (incarnations) because out of His causeless mercy the Lord descends from His transcendental abode. Avatāra means “one who descends.” All the incarnations of the Lord, including the Lord Himself, descend to the different planets of the material world as also in different species of life to fulfill particular missions. Sometimes He comes Himself, and sometimes His different plenary portions or parts of the plenary portions, or His differentiated portions directly or indirectly empowered by Him, descend to this material world to execute certain specific functions. Originally the Lord is full of all opulences, all prowess, all fame, all beauty, all knowledge and all renunciation. When they are partly manifested through the plenary portions or parts of the plenary portions, it should be noted that certain manifestations of His different powers are required for those particular functions. When in the room small electric bulbs are displayed, it does not mean that the electric powerhouse is limited by the small bulbs. The same powerhouse can supply power to operate large-scale industrial dynamos with greater volts. Similarly, the incarnations of the Lord display limited powers because so much power is needed at that particular time.

    For example, Lord Paraśurāma and Lord Nṛsiṁha displayed unusual opulence by killing the disobedient kṣatriyas twenty-one times and killing the greatly powerful atheist Hiraṇyakaśipu. Hiraṇyakaśipu was so powerful that even the demigods in other planets would tremble simply by the unfavorable raising of his eyebrow. The demigods in the higher level of material existence many, many times excel the most well-to-do human beings in duration of life, beauty, wealth, paraphernalia and all other respects. Still they were afraid of Hiraṇyakaśipu. Thus we can simply imagine how powerful Hiraṇyakaśipu was in this material world. But even Hiraṇyakaśipu was cut into small pieces by the nails of Lord Nṛsiṁha. This means that anyone materially powerful cannot stand the strength of the Lord’s nails. Similarly, Jāmadagnya displayed the Lord’s power to kill all the disobedient kings powerfully situated in their respective states. The Lord’s empowered incarnation Nārada and plenary incarnation Varāha, as well as indirectly empowered Lord Buddha, created faith in the mass of people. The incarnations of Rāma and Dhanvantari displayed His fame, and Balarāma, Mohinī and Vāmana exhibited His beauty. Dattātreya, Matsya, Kumāra and Kapila exhibited His transcendental knowledge. Nara and Nārāyaṇa Ṛṣis exhibited His renunciation. So all the different indirectly or directly empowered incarnations of the Lord manifested different features, but Lord Kṛṣṇa, the primeval Lord, exhibited the complete features of Godhead, and thus it is confirmed that He is the source of all other incarnations. And the most extraordinary feature exhibited by Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa was His internal energetic manifestation of His pastimes with the cowherd girls. His pastimes with the gopīs are all displays of transcendental existence, bliss and knowledge, although these are manifested apparently as sex love. The specific attraction of His pastimes with the gopīs should never be misunderstood. The Bhāgavatam relates these transcendental pastimes in the Tenth Canto. And in order to reach the position to understand the transcendental nature of Lord Kṛṣṇa’s pastimes with the gopīs, the Bhāgavatam promotes the student gradually in nine other cantos.

    According to Śrīla Jīva Gosvāmī’s statement, in accordance with authoritative sources, Lord Kṛṣṇa is the source of all other incarnations. It is not that Lord Kṛṣṇa has any source of incarnation. All the symptoms of the Supreme Truth in full are present in the person of Lord Śrī Kṛṣṇa, and in the Bhagavad-gītā the Lord emphatically declares that there is no truth greater than or equal to Himself. In this stanza the word svayam is particularly mentioned to confirm that Lord Kṛṣṇa has no other source than Himself. Although in other places the incarnations are described as bhagavān because of their specific functions, nowhere are they declared to be the Supreme Personality. In this stanza the word svayam signifies the supremacy as the summum bonum.

    The summum bonum Kṛṣṇa is one without a second. He Himself has expanded Himself in various parts, portions and particles as svayaṁ-rūpa, svayam-prakāśa, tad-ekātmā, prābhava, vaibhava, vilāsa, avatāra, āveśa, and jīvas, all provided with innumerable energies just suitable to the respective persons and personalities. Learned scholars in transcendental subjects have carefully analyzed the summum bonum Kṛṣṇa to have sixty-four principal attributes. All the expansions or categories of the Lord possess only some percentages of these attributes. But Śrī Kṛṣṇa is the possessor of the attributes cent percent. And His personal expansions such as svayam-prakāśa and tad-ekātmā, up to the categories of the avatāras who are all viṣṇu-tattva, possess up to ninety-three percent of these transcendental attributes. Lord Śiva, who is neither avatāra nor āveśa nor in between them, possesses almost eighty-four percent of the attributes. But the jīvas, or the individual living beings in different statuses of life, possess up to the limit of seventy-eight percent of the attributes. In the conditioned state of material existence, the living being possesses these attributes in very minute quantity, varying in terms of the pious life of the living being. The most perfect of living beings is Brahmā, the supreme administrator of one universe. He possesses seventy-eight percent of the attributes in full. All other demigods have the same attributes in less quantity, whereas human beings possess the attributes in very minute quantity. The standard of perfection for a human being is to develop the attributes up to seventy-eight percent in full. The living being can never possess attributes like Śiva, Viṣṇu or Lord Kṛṣṇa. A living being can become godly by developing the seventy-eight-percent transcendental attributes in fullness, but he can never become a God like Śiva, Viṣṇu or Kṛṣṇa. He can become a Brahmā in due course. The godly living beings who are all residents of the planets in the spiritual sky are eternal associates of God in different spiritual planets called Hari-dhāma and Maheśa-dhāma. The abode of Lord Kṛṣṇa above all spiritual planets is called Kṛṣṇaloka or Goloka Vṛndāvana, and the perfected living being, by developing seventy-eight percent of the above attributes in fullness, can enter the planet of Kṛṣṇaloka after leaving the present material body.

    Oct 11, 2013 — CANADA (SUN) — By His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada, Back To Godhead Vol. I, No. 25, May 1, 1969.

    Knowing Krishna

    You can’t understand Krishna by speculation; that is not possible, because your senses are imperfect. But if you begin this process of service, then it will be possible one day Krishna will reveal to you: “I am like this,” just as Krishna is revealing to Arjuna. Arjuna is a devotee, and he is submissive, and he is in contact with Krishna as a friend. Therefore Krishna is revealing to him.

    The Bhagavad Gita was spoken to Arjuna not to any Vedantist philosophical speculator. In the beginning of the Fourth Chapter, you will note that Krishna says, “I am speaking to you that ancient system of Yoga.” It is atated, “Unto you.” Arjuna was a Kshatriya, a fighter. He was a householder, not even a Sannyasi, not a renouncer but these are no qualifications to understand Krishna. Then what is the qualification? This: “One who has developed the service spirit, with love and devotion, can understand Me.” No other. Not Dr. Radhakrishnan or similar great learned persons; but a child can understand Krishna, if he has full faith in Him. So faith and devotion qualify one.

    Simply by such faith and service you will understand that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Just as the writer is preaching Krishna Consciousness: he is not wasting your time or his own, because he is in full faith that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Theoretically or practically, you should accept Krishna, that He is the Supreme Person. Theoretically, there is the revealed scripture. You will understand from the Vedic literature, from the great devotees in the past and in the present.

    For the present, there is Lord Chaitanya. Lord Chaitanya is the great authority. None is greater. He was mad after Krishna. And then, after Him, His six disciples, the Goswamis, have left us an immensely valuable literature especially Jiva Goswami. They have written volumes on Krishna. So, under disciplic succession, we have come to this point; and if you like past history, then go back a long, long time to Vyasadeva. He is known to have written the Srimad Bhagwatam and other literature on Krishna. Srimad Bhagwatam is nothing but a description of Krishna. Vyasa is also the writer of The Bhagavad Gita. The Gita was spoken by Krishna, and noted down by Vyasa who put this Gita into the Mahabharata, his chronicle of events in the previous age of world history.

    So Vyasadeva accepts Krishna as the Supreme Person. In the Srimad Bhagwatam he has given the description of the different incarnations there are twenty-five of Them. And, in the conclusion, he says that the descriptions that are given of different incarnations are all parts of the representations of God. But Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead Himself. He is not part, but 100% 100% God. So, there is the evidence of authority.

    And, practically, if we believe the “Shastras,” the scriptures, then we can see: Who can be more powerful than Krishna? Who can be more beautiful than Krishna? Who can be more famous than Krishna? Krishna appeared five thousand years ago, but His knowledge, which He gave in the form of The Bhagavad Gita, is still worshiped. It is worshiped not only by the Hindus or the Indians, but is read all over the world. In your country there are at least 50 different editions of The Bhagavad Gita, written by different men. Similarly, in England, in Germany, in France and in all other countries, you will find hundreds of editions of The Gita. So, who can be more famous?

    There are many other evidences, if you believe in Shastra: that Krishna married 16,108 wives, and He provided each one of them with a big palace, and each one of them had 10 children, and from the 10 children there were many other children born. So we have the evidence of revealed scriptures; and in the Brahma Samhita also, Krishna is accepted as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. This is a very old book, supposed to have been written by Brahma, the first living being in the universe.

    In that Brahma Samhita it is said, “Iswara Parama Krishna.” Iswara means God. There are many gods. It is said that there are many demigods, and there is the Supreme God. So Brahma Samhita says “Iswara Parama Krishna” He is the God of gods. “Iswara Parama Krishna,” and then: “Sat-Chit-Ananda Vigraha” and His body is eternal, and full of bliss and knowledge. And next: “Anadi”: He has no beginning, but He is the beginning of everyone. “Anadi gadi Govinda.” Go means senses, Go means cow, and Go means land. So He is the Proprietor of all land, He is the Proprietor of all cows, and He is the Creator of all senses.

    We are after sense pleasure, but our perfection of sense pleasure can be achieved only when we reciprocate our pleasure with Krishna. Therefore, His Name is Govinda, the Supreme Original Personality of Godhead.

    The same Personality of Godhead spoke to Arjuna in The Gita. Personally, about Himself. How can you say that somebody, by his thinking, by speculation, can say something about God that is more important than what is being said by Krishna Himself? It is not possible. No one can speak better than Krishna about God, because God Himself is speaking. If you speak about yourself personally, who can say more than you? So, if you have faith, if you believe theoretically or practically in Krishna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, then, by the speeches that are delivered by Krishna in The Bhagavad Gita, you can understand God. There is no difficulty.

    And, if you believe Krishna, then the result will be that you can understand God how He is working, how His energies are acting, how He is manifesting, what is this material world, what is the spiritual world, what are the living creatures, what is their relationship so many things are to be found in God’s literature.

    The whole Vedic literature deals with three things: the first is your relationship with God; then, next, after you understand your relationship with God, how to act in the spiritual way. Just as a man or woman may not be related, but as soon as the relationship is established that one is husband and the other is wife, then the dealings begin.

    Once they understand their relationship with God, people generally believe that God is the Father, and the son’s business is to ask father for whatever he needs. But that is really a lesser relationship. If you understand God perfectly, then there are intimate relationships also. Your intimate relationship will be revealed when you are perfectly liberated. Each and every living creature has a particular relationship with God, but we have, for now, forgotten. When that relationship is revealed in the process of devotional activities, or Krishna Consciousness, you will know that that is the perfection of your life. Krishna Consciousness is a great science, it is not a sentimental speculation regarding love. It is based on scientific propositions described in The Bhagavad Gita, in the Vedas and in the Brahma Samhita; and it is accepted by authorities like Lord Chaitanya, Ramanuja Acharya, Madhya Acharya, Narada, Asita, Vyasa there are so many authorities. Krishna Consciousness is not an ordinary love-making or money-making business; it is reality, and if you stick to it seriously, your life will be perfect.

    1. Of course I lack knowledge. I never claimed to know everything, in fact if someone say they know everything about Hinduism, then they’re bullshitting you.

      Look I’m not against Krishna. Krishna, Ram, Vishnu, Rudra and Shiva. They’re all same. This site is not against Krishna.

      I’m trying to make people aware of gujarati swaminarayan.

    2. At-least 95% what you said is correct. There’s some addition, as per the vedas, bhagwat, purans etc, the supreme lord is avatari & non-avatari, aakaari & nirakaari, etc. That supreme is both infinity and trinity. As per bhagwat geeta everything is triguni. There’s absolutely zero difference among trinity. Also there’s zero difference among avatars. Because of maya human beings starts comparing trinity and avatars. There are infinite avatars, everyone is avatar of krishna (inside heart-soul-heart-krishna) but there are few god avatars (inside heart-soul-heart-krishna-heart-brahman-heart-viratroop). God avatars are limited to 10/12/24. Everyone is trying to fit-in there guru/leader within that. Neither shankara/ramanuj/chaitanya mahaprabhu/madhava/vallabha/tulsidas/swaminarayan etc, none was god avatar. Compare them to ram and everyone fails. Comparing ram/krishna is stupidity. Example amitah bhachan makes movies, sholay, jangir, agnipath, outside movie world, he is amitabh and not the character. You may like sholay, i may like agnipath, other people may like jangir etc. People who compares krishna with ram or narayan with shiv haven’t understood bhagwat geeta. However it doesn’t means any street actor (guru, baba) thinks he is also god. God is omnipresent and guru as god propaganda is all money making business. Example ghanshyam pandey (swaminarayan) is FAKE god. Swaminarayan was money making guru who gave 7-temples to his nephews (maya). Temple making itself is maya. Wealth accumulation maya made him die at age-50 even after being expert on ASHTANG-YOGA.

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